Jeff Vanderstelt on The Dealing With Criticism, Navigating Toxic Church Culture, The Crisis of Discipleship, and Dallas Willard’s Last Unanswered Question

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How can church leaders cultivate discipleship as a way of life rather than just another program? What does it take to lead with humility, wisdom, and a deep trust in God’s work in people’s lives?

In this episode, Jeff Vanderstelt, Executive Director of Saturate and founding leader of the Soma Family of Churches, joins Jason Ballard to explore the heart of discipleship and gospel fluency. Jeff shares his journey of mentoring leaders, navigating criticism, and leading with an open hand. He also reflects on his personal experience leading through brokenness and the lasting impact of Dallas Willard’s final unanswered question.

Key Takeaways:

  • Why discipleship must go beyond programs and into everyday life

  • How to lead with open hands and trust God in the process

  • The role of humility and healing in leadership

  • Practical ways to equip people for mission in their daily lives

We hope this conversation challenges and encourages you as you seek to make disciples and lead with wisdom in a rapidly changing world.



Jeff Vanderstelt

As the Executive Director of Saturate and founding leader of the Soma Family of Churches, Jeff Vanderstelt gets to spend his days doing what he loves – mentoring leaders and equipping the Church in the gospel and missional living. Additionally, Jeff is on the leadership team of Saturate the Sound, a local church collective focused on gospel saturation in the Puget Sound. Jeff has authored Saturate, Gospel Fluency, and Making Space.

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